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Lone Star State of Mind
Me Without You
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Easter Egg - Provided by LucyHowe
Amazing quality picture from beginning to end. Mention of Meredith
Monroe in the opening credits
as special appearance.
First deleted scene is of Joey: New
York City skyline –
segue to Joey in her editing office. Joey is leaving a message for Gail, saying
she’s sorry that she cannot attend the wedding. She then talks to a co-worker
saying that she can’t go because it's her one year anniversary with Christopher.
Second deleted scene is of Joey and Christopher at her apartment: Joey is
packing for her trip with Christopher. They are going to a cabin on Walden’s
Pond. He goes and takes a shower, and she finds the ring in the drawer and
panics and puts it back.
Third
deleted scene is of Pacey and Doug at the Icehouse: They
are discussing various topics such as Jack and Maddie. Doug wants to be “Doug
and gay” and Pacey wants to be “Pacey and bad”. They both know there are
decisions that they need to make, and the choices that they are making now are
affecting them in their personal lives. They are both unhappy.
Plus,
Pacey has a boat! There is mention that he took Maddie sailing the
weekend before.
Fourth deleted scene of Joey and Dawson at a car rental place:
Fifth deleted scene is of Joey, Jen, Grams & Bessie at the B&B: Joey is
discussing why she came home for the wedding, about how she panicked and was
scared and doesn’t want to marry Christopher. She looks to Grams for advice,
and she says that if you feel that way about someone, then they are not the
one. To which Joey replies, “If he’s not the one for me, then who is? “ Camera
pans to EVERYONE with looks of “DUH” on their faces. Joey, still clueless as
ever. We are then lead to believe that Grams is dying.
First extended scene is of Joey and Pacey seeing each other for the first time
in 5 years: They
talk about “The Creek” and how they are now on TV and how their lives are
being depicted. Pacey shows Joey the poster of the TV show proudly displayed in
the Icehouse and how proud he is of Dawson.
Second extended scene is of the entire cast at the table in the Icehouse:
They
talk about Eve and Pacey being with Ms. Jacobs & Andie. Funniest line was when
Jen says, “And Abby Morgan!” The gang looks angry. Jen replies, “Oh, is she not funny
yet?”
Third extended scene is of Dawson
and Joey’s wedding: I’m sorry, but it’s worse than what was aired.
The wedding is just an extension of more stupid things between Dawson and Joey.
They go on to talk about Eddie, Jen having sex with Dawson, Then
Joey says the kicker, “We’re just star crossed, ill-fated soul mates.”
Fourth extended scene is of Pacey and Jen at the wedding: Pacey
gets a pain killer from Jen and they start to talk about how Pacey is like
George Bailey from “It’s a Wonderful Life” and how “this is it” this is all that
we get (see scene with Pacey and Joey later on, this is mentioned).
Sixth deleted scene is of Dawson and Gail at the wedding in the house: Dawson
is working and “hiding” from Joey and everyone else, and Gail convinces him to
go outside, he does, and we go to the Seventh deleted scene: where he
finds Joey talking amongst guests, and then they leave, to have Pacey walk up to
her. Dawson looks on affectionately and smiles seeing them happy together. Then
Pacey tells Joey, "Do you know what this reminds me of?" And she says, “What?”,
he says, “Dance lessons.” They both discuss about how they did take those
lessons, and care to relive them on the dance floor. So they do and Dawson
looks on.
Eight deleted scene is of Doug and Jack at the wedding: Very quick scene, basically they are cross with each other and the way their
relationship is going. It appears that they may be ending, but you know
there is more to be said.
Other small deleted/cut
scenes: We see
Joey, Pacey and
Dawson in the car.
Not much on the extension of this scene. Joey
goes to the B&B and talks with Bessie and tells her that she is not going to
marry Christopher and that she will not let him get a chance to propose.
Ninth deleted scene is of Dawson and Lily watching Harold and Maude: They go
on to discuss why it was okay for Maude to die, and how they were soul mates and
that they at least were a part of each others lives. Lily asks, “What’s a soul
mate?” and Dawson explains. In all honesty, not being mocking, Lily is not that
interested after
Dawson gives the
description, and asks, “Okay, can I have your room?”
Tenth deleted scene is of Andie and Pacey at the hospital: We see
that Jack brings Andie to see Pacey and Jen after Pacey showed the video tape to
Jen. He’s happy to see her, as is Jen…then we show them talking about their
lives. Andie and Pacey discuss how they’ve both helped each other grow, and
Pacey says, “You were the first, Andie. The first to test me and challenge
me.” They talk about how happy she is and how great she looks. We also see
Andie and Jack watching Jen sleep. *note: Kevin and Paul comment on this and
mention that it really would have never worked putting Andie and Pacey back
together. She was gone for too long, and that they really didn’t need to have
them back together, but for Pacey and Andie to say, “Thank You” to each other.
It was very sweet. But short. L
Final scene:
All the deleted scenes and extended scenes are put
together.
To access a little "egg" on the DVD, follow these steps:
1. Go to your "Special Features" menu.
2. Underline "Main Menu".
3. Press the "up" button on your remote twice.
4. Press the "left" button on your remote twice.
5. Press the "enter" button on your remote once.
6. Press the "right" button on your remote twice.
7. The letter in Dawson's hand should be yellow. Hit enter
Dawson is trying to get into his car, and can’t because its not his, it’s
Joey’s. They look really happy and surprised to see each other. It’s very
bittersweet. Dawson never returned Joey’s emails and she wondered why. They hug
and realize that they are both in a hurry and can’t chat long. Their reunion is
cut short by a loud, obnoxious patron.
Commentary with Paul Stupin and Kevin Williamson
This is not complete, however I did pretty much "watch" and listen to all of their comments, it was just that they tend to ramble about NOTHING related to the episode.
Summarizing what Kevin said about writing the ending:
Kevin wrote a script with Dawson and Joey as the couple to end the show. However, he did not feel that this was right, and needed some help with making sure that the show was going in that direction. He called up Paul and they discussed it, and realized that Pacey and Joey would be the couple that would work. They were the true ending. So they feverishly re-wrote the script and thought that it was, "perfect".
Paul: "This sort of starts to set up that Joey and Dawson are intended for each other." "And I certainly think that that comes to mind the whole notion when we started the question is did you know who Joey would end up with?"
Kevin: "Yes, and I will say that when I set down to write this, Joey and Dawson were going to end up together, folks. And I did write it."
Paul: "And in this first hour, which was shot before the second hour, was written with the intent that setting up the fact that these two soul mates are finally going to come together."
Kevin: "Yes, and we'll talk about it as we go through it, but when I sat down to write this one, and even when I wrote the second one, I did write Joey and Dawson together.
Paul: "And then I remember that you called me!"
Kevin: "I called you Paul and I said, ' Is this the way to do it? ' , and we talked and we changed our minds!"
-- And it worked. It just seemed to work. And you know what? It felt right, because in my mind Dawson and Joey do end up together, as friends and as soul mates. That it goes beyond romantic love [because this is his vision that they do not need to be romantic to still be part of each others lives], and it serves as a mislead for the episode. And in my mind, everyone wins. But you know, when I went around asking people who their soul mates were, the answers you got was not the one that you were in love with or having a relationship with or even their spouse. It was usually just a best friend from childhood."
Kevin and Paul talk about the "Triangle" and Andie's roll in coming back:
Paul: When writing this first hour, the thought was that Joey and Dawson would end up together. So that begged the question, well what’s going to happen with Pacey? And how can Pacey be romantically fulfilled at the end of this? And that’s part of the reason why we brought Meredith Monroe back.
Kevin: yeah, we brought Meredith Monroe back to basically serve as, and I hate to say it, but as a consolation prize to Pacey. And even when I was writing it, I felt how false that was. A consolation prize?
Paul: I know, because when you think about it, it’s kind of depressing.
Kevin: Yes, depressing and I couldn’t go to bed a night, and think, that’s how Andie is to Pacey. And to give that to the audience, I don’t believe it. I don’t believe it and I think that Andie should be a ‘red herring’.
Paul: I tell you when she does show up…she’s beautiful – and I think well that’s one hell of a consolation prize!
Kevin: But the story from what I understand from watching the shows that happened afterwards [after season 1 & 2], so much had developed between Pacey and Joey, that the show had become about the triangle and them as the core. And I just wanted to satisfy.
… [and I’m so happy] that everyone gets to see [Andie] how amazing she looks. And she’s such an important character [Andie], because as you will see in the scene, because this is one of the scenes that I re-wrote when I knew that Pacey and Joey would end up together, you see that she has a moment, a place in Pacey’s life, and it’s very important to hear what Pacey has to say to her in order for him to get over his last bit of immaturity.
Paul: So it does work with having her in this new structure.
Kevin: So here we have the triangle all alone, and all these undercurrents going on. [scene of Joey saying goodbye to Pacey and Dawson] - What I like about this is look how it was done, still a little awkward with Dawson, but Pacey just grabbed her like they’ve been together their whole lives and just hugged her and there’s that undeniable chemistry that Pacey and Joey have.
Paul talking about internet script leaks:
Paul: “I tell you one of my frustrations over the years has been that whenever we would send an outline with an interesting plot twist or send a script wanted to keep at least preliminary out of sort of everyone’s minds, invariably it would lead, and we’d read about it on the internet a few days later. And I remember in this one there was a lot of talk that Joey and Dawson were going to end up together, and so the minute your first draft hit Wilmington, a day later I go on the internet and there’s everyone who wanted Joey and Pacey to get together complaining like, ‘Aww, hell.’.” And it’s just one of those things when a piece of material goes down to a group of 80 to 90 people in a production area out there, it’s going to end up getting out.”
Kevin explains about why Joey's choice is important:
Kevin: "Will Joey choose Dawson or Pacey? Who's she going to choose? And what is going to make that mean something? How is it going to be forever? When we end this show, how will we know that these people are going to be together forever? And in someone's death, that monumental, you make decisions that are life ground, that are real and solid, and will stick. It's just sort of brings an epic finality."
Defining what a 'soul mate' is and why Dawson and Joey didn't end up together
Paul: In this first hour, it was originally written to have Dawson and Joey end up together. And again, after that phone call that you and I had where we agreed that it should be Joey and Pacey, you went back and you re-jiggled all of this.About the Dawson and Joey Fans - and final scene of Dawson & Joey
Paul: “A scene that will leave all the Dawson and Joey fans satisfied”
Kevin laughs, then Paul laughs. *they both continue to laugh and snicker*
Kevin: “Uh, I don’t know about that. We’ve got some pretty “passionate” D/Jo fans out there.
Kevin & Paul: But if you really listen to what Dawson is saying, there is no way that they are going to end up together. Dawson and Joey, you know that it’s over."Discussion: How should the show end? Who is the better couple? (Pacey/Joey 1st kitchen scene)
Paul: "Everyone went to go off to college, and the challenge was creating this passion for cooking that Pacey had. And it's nice to see that he's running this restaurant, and we see that he's obviously lovely at it and adapted to, there he is slicing there..."
Kevin: "And we very slyly set up that he may end up in New York City with a restaurant of his own."
Paul: "Yes, exactly. So this is the first little set up that you'll notice for clarifying and ultimately pointing out who's getting together, Joey and Pacey."
Kevin: "And what the difference between the first hour and this hour is we clearly knew who was ending up with who, and also all signs point to it."
Paul: "And I remember there was some nervousness I think we both had, that how would James react to the fact that here we started off where we thought that he and Joey were going to end up together, and ultimately I know that you called up James...
Kevin: "....and he was okay with it. And I don't want to speak for anyone else here, but I do know that Josh called me, and he was thrilled with it. You know, and he really felt that he believe it, and he really felt it. And I think that everyone ultimately did."
Paul: "Because when I do look back on how we've played out this triangle over the years and the seasons, it does seem that the most passion has existed and the most sort of grand romance was really between Joey and Pacey. Here they had an epic journey on a sailboat all over the world."
Kevin, "Yeah! And they just also have a wonderful chemistry between them. The interplay between the two of them, just this moment right here, thrown' food. And you know, I wrote ' food fight ' , and this is what they did with it. And I'm just thrilled that they did, and that was not in the script, ad-libbing. It's just adorable."
Last scene with Pacey and Joey in the kitchen
I
want to point out that Pacey's speech was not written by Kevin, however, the
remainder of the P/Jo scene was:
Kevin: This is sort of where Pacey’s
heads face is, cause next time we see him, he’s going to be in the kitchen and
he’s about to say, ‘ Joey, time is nobody’s friend, and I got to get okay with
that And move on ’. So this is the set up to what’s about to come. Where he
basically thanks her, the same as he did with Andie, ‘You’re off the hook’ and
I’m determined to move on’, and I must tell you that I had rewrote this again
and again and again, and heaven forbid, I have to tell you who’s reasonable for
this little sequence, this little monologue that he gives,
*Paul: Who?* ,
Julie Pleck (sp?). *Paul: Really?* She has been working with me on ‘
Kurst” and she came back and started spitting out, ‘No! This is what Pacey
should say’, and I’m sitting here typing it, in the trailer while were filming
another movie, she goes, ‘Pacey should say ‘You’re off the hook’ and this, and
this’, and she’s just sort of spouting it all off, and I’m saying, slow down,
slow down, and I’m typing as fast as I can and finally I say, you sit down and
write it.”
*more discussion about how so many people, old writers and producers came back
to collaborate for the finale*
Kevin: “Let me just tell you how
brilliant Paul Stupin is…”
Paul: “Oh I love hearing that. No
problem!”
Kevin: “What he does is in Joey’s
response, it gave it away, Joey’s response gives her decision away. So what the
brilliant Paul Stupin did was reedit it and move what statement above the other
statement, and brought one down. So it was more confusing than ever. And it
really gives him a reason to respond the way he responds. It really did. She
plays it as if she’s telling him, ‘It’s you honey!’.”
Paul: “ Originally she mentioned that she
loves Dawson before she told the whole thing that she loves Pacey, and you and I
both felt that basically that gives it away that she’s still going to be with
Pacey.”
Kevin: “And we wanted to hold the
suspense till the last beat.”
Paul: “Yes, so we had her say that she
loved Pacey first, then pause and then we moved the whole talk about Dawson
later on in the speech.
*Kevin: “Just to confuse
him.” Yeah! And you know what, it’s confusing to me!”
Kevin: “Oh, okay! Here it is! [Joey
telling Pacey to not miss her point] It’s like, what are you trying to say?
*laughter*
Paul: “And again, the whole idea is to
string out the finale revelation of who she’s going to end up with, until the
very end. And what a hard thing to do to make it heartfelt and powerful and
still for all of us, confusing as hell.” *laughs*
Kevin: “They do a really good job. And I
think again that Josh does great with his little, ‘ You’re off the hook’ speech.
And he even brought some stuff to it too, the lines that he added to it.”
Paul: “But you had some lines about her
love for Pacey was, ‘ The way a women loves a man’,
*Kevin: Yes, yes* and that sounded again
too definitive…
Kevin: “Too definitive that Dawson and I
are childhood, was a childhood love, innocent and pure, me loving you was the
first time I loved a man, and as a woman. And that was too much, it gave it
away. Cut, cut, cut. So that ended on the editing room floor or really in the
editing room hard drive. And see, here it is first of all, they don’t get to
finish their conversation. First mom enters, this is my way of letting her
character enter because this is the last time that you are going to get to see
this woman in this show forever, and it’s a say goodbye. And Bessie enters in
and this is to say goodbye, this is her curtain call. Goodbye everyone. And it
was just sort of my way to say goodbye to this two supporting characters who we
have loved dearly.”
Paul: “Pacey’s confused! You know if I
was Pacey, I would have said, ‘Stay here and explain all this!’, but he lets her
walk away.”
Kevin: “Well we had to simple for the
device of saving the surprise. And also she’s being pulled away to deal with
mourners.”
Montage Overview
I haven’t watched the deleted pilot scenes since most of them were from that unaired pilot which many of you have seen. I will go back and watch the pilot alternate endings and report back on that. But to answer questions, no, there was never a FILMED alternate ending of Dawson and Joey. Ever.
I'm sorry if this comes off as a Pacey and Joey fan perspective, but I really wanted to let you all know that a lot of what was cut or not shown was because it revealed too much that Pacey and Joey would be together, or it really wasn't that important of a scene. Kevin and Paul discussed that topic a lot. So, I hope I didn’t miss anything, however, if you have questions about certain things, let me know.~ Mandy ~